Ohh maryacclaim i can understand why you have done this.
It's sad... but if you where raised in the troof.. you dont have many ways to go.
Is it so that everyone you know.. is an dub? Then it is hard to come outside.
All alone... friends and social living ment alot to life quality, dont it/they?
(from one who had fade.. and still have the relatives talk and invite your family to parties...)
(but you have to lie sometimes..... but hey.. they had lied to me the whole life.. so what the heck :-) )
the witnesses try to demonize the internet.
in your opinion is the internet the biggest problem for the watchtower organization?.
Sweden is said to be in the absolute top countries with private Internet-access.
It firmly exploded about 4 years ago.
Now virtually every household has 2mbit+.
JW Sweden Baptist stats:
2007 481
2008 402
2009 312!
What does it say to us? except for the significant drop...
Shall we compare Sweden and US
JW/baptist ratio
US 1.096.502 pubs / 34739 bptzd = 31.6 Witness to accomplish 1 Bptzd.
SWE 22.054 pubs / 312 bptzd = 71.8 Witness to accomplish 1 Bptzd.
It is very hard for them to find new JW:s here...
could it have something to do that it is so easy to find information nowadays?
That the most swedes read english fluently?
That sweden has very much information out at internet from x-JW:s in swedish language?
I dont know.. but something it is...
china: the number of publishers has increased.
in some parts of the mainland, they can openly go door to door without much interference.
there are actally buildings now used as kingdom halls.
Interesting...according to these figs they baptized 276000, which is less than last year
Publishers increased by 188000....where did the missing 88000 go?
They have died.
Take 7,046,419 split that with an average lifetime, why not 70,46 years?
There you have 100.000 statistically
I guess that many of those that have come to the truth (mostly in developing countries?) the last years, is not of that many old people that will die immediately.. = less dead.
do you still contribute for literature, give to the worldwide work, kingdom hall fund or contribute towards the upkeep of your local kh?
if you do - why?.
NO WAY!
I haven't given for about 5 years now, altough i visit some meeting once a year to "show up".
Since they sold swedens (a huge one) assembly hall for 7M$ some years ago... and no one in sweden know where the money is today...
... they can pay all costs by themselves until they make the accounting public!
i was raised in from about 10. mum contacted by door to door work.
oz.
Born in, (F-word). Mom in by relative when i was aprox 3 years old.
if i should ask this to a relative jw.... - why should god need a human organisation on earth anyway?.
what answer will i get?
any scripts that they probably will show up to support this thinking?.
Olin Moyles Ghost
This is a great answer, exactly what I was searching about!
We discuss this, your answer, in our sweden xJw-forum right now.http://www.hjalpkallan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9175
More of this!
More input and thinking to this question appreciates!
if i should ask this to a relative jw.... - why should god need a human organisation on earth anyway?.
what answer will i get?
any scripts that they probably will show up to support this thinking?.
If I should ask this to a relative JW...
- Why should God need a human organisation on earth anyway?
What answer will I get?
Any scripts that they probably will show up to support this thinking?
Anything that i can say as an answer on that?
after reading about puternuts (ari) suicide, and also reading about sabine and js losing their daughter to this cult, i think it would be a fitting memorial, so to speak, to write a list of all the people we know who died because of this cult.
i also know that cruzanheart lost her dad to it, too.
i'm sure there are many here that can make a list of suicides brought on by the shunning/threatening policies of the watchtower cult.
Three more to the swedes list today..
http://www.hjalpkallan.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8861Yes, they had kill them self, because they couldn't stand't anymore..
after reading about puternuts (ari) suicide, and also reading about sabine and js losing their daughter to this cult, i think it would be a fitting memorial, so to speak, to write a list of all the people we know who died because of this cult.
i also know that cruzanheart lost her dad to it, too.
i'm sure there are many here that can make a list of suicides brought on by the shunning/threatening policies of the watchtower cult.
Hi, Sweden here.
I have not seen this thread before here but i actually asked this question in the swedish xJV forum we have a few weeks ago.
Our betel have, when asked about it from a Journalist, stated that "-JV sweden dont have or has had any suicide connected to Jehovas Witnesses"
Sweden have about 22.000 witnesses... we have heard about some suicide case here and there, but when we (xJV:s on the forum) collected those we knew about toghether in the first post for the topic, we did really fast (little over one week) came up to over 60 cases in sweden.
so here in the jw complex, well, 90% are jw's, a couple of my friends had a bbq yesterday.
i was invited.
they had heard about some of my comments and questions regarding the organization, but i guess they forgot about that.. the friends there were from three different congregations.
No, my cover wasn't blown, at least not yet. The reason I post a lot about JW memories is well, people tell me what they think of it. I learn, I grow. I get ripped on this forum. It's good for me. You don't have to read my posts, no one does.
No, one does... well that it'snt that true..
I follow your posts all the way from sweden, and doing a little under-cover messages here and there inside to make JW people think here in sweden.
Be careful, i want to read your postings a long time more..
(Yeah, I know, my english sucks, but what can i do.. try to write some in swedish and you will see)
